LI Who at 60 Convention Report

I would have posted this earlier, but apart from real-life goings-on I had a lot of pictures and videos to sort through in order to write a report that made at least some sense. My good friend Anna (@concetta20 at Tumblr) and I enjoyed this con, not just the guests’ panels but several of the fan discussion panels as well to fit in with the upcoming 60th anniversary of the show were a lot of fun. There were a couple focused on the First Doctor era that were especially interesting.

We arrived at the convention hotel on Friday. There wasn’t much for us to do since there weren’t any panels going on —it was mainly just advance photo ops for people with the Master Plan passes (we had General Weekend passes). We traded ribbons with other fans and we built up a nice collection. This is the one we had for trade:

I also gave one to Frazer, who seemed quite amused by it and graciously thanked me.

We also got some autographs. I brought with me my DVD of “Lochinvar”, Peter Diamond’s pilot in which Frazer had a bit part back around 1968. I showed it to him and asked if he remembered filming it. He looked amazed to see it and said yes, he did remember filming it, he’d filmed it back when he was still doing Doctor Who. He said “I think I played ‘Jethro’ … or ‘Jess’…” He mentioned Peter Diamond and how he’d done work on DW, and how he felt bad that nothing ever came of the pilot. He asked if I’d seen it and I told him I had, that I’d enjoyed it. He said “Yeah, it was very good,” and again was disappointed that nothing ever came of it. He mentioned Eric Flynn starring in it and said his son (whose name I can’t remember) was now in Game of Thrones. He asked if I wanted him to sign it, which I hadn’t been planning on, but I asked him to and he signed the cover.

He also signed a pic I brought with me of The Doctor and Jamie from “The Space Pirates” (we brought photos we’d printed out to save a bit of money). When he saw it he said “Oh, how nice.”

I also had Katy Manning sign my pouch of Jo Grant loose tea, which I got from Adagio (they have a lot of really good fandom blends – the Jo tea was really nice, I also recommend the Jamie, Zoe, Third Doctor, and K9 varieties). She was so sweet and at first thought I was giving her the pouch of tea. She placed it on the floor next to her things behind her and I had to tell her, “Oh, no, I was asking if you could sign it.” She was so embarrassed, hands covering her face as she said, “Oh, I’m sorry, how embarrassing.” I told her the tea was very good, “bright and sunny, and a bit spicy, like Jo,” and she said to me, “And a bit rebellious as well, I hope?” I told her “Yes, that too!” She signed the pouch for me and then gave me a big hug and a kiss on the cheek.

We also went to Michael Troughton’s table where he was doing signings and had copies of his books (his dad’s biography and a very nice picture book of his life), as well as the Big Finish CDs for “Beyond the War Games” and the newly released “James Robert McCrimmon.” He was very nice as well. I bought a copy of “James Robert McCrimmon”, and he signed the cover.

On Saturday I got Paul McGann’s autograph. I found him to be very nice and a bit outgoing, with a hearty handshake. 😀 Again I had him sign a photo I’d printed out at home before we left for the con.

We also had our photo op with Frazer and Michael. Again, both of them were very sweet and they thanked us at the end.

The first panel of the day we attended was Frazer’s. He revealed that his new book is “The Evil of the Daleks.” It’s basically a novelization of the serial based on the script, but from Jamie’s point of view. He made a few funny comments about recording the audio version and doing the various voices of the characters. He said it will be out in October and I believe he mentioned we could purchase it from his website. 

He shared some behind-the-scenes tidbits from filming “Evil of the Daleks.” Brigit Forsyth who played Ruth Maxtible had said she was so nervous and worried about it, but then Frazer popped his head around the corner and had something up his nose and she knew it would be a fun show. He said he didn’t know why the Emperor Dalek wasn’t called the Empress Dalek because it had a brassiere on. His line upon seeing it was supposed to be “look at the balls on that thing, Doctor!” but he couldn’t say that, so it became “look at the size of that thing, Doctor!”

The interviewer, Andrew Beech, mentioned the official number of missing episodes and brought up the rumors circulating about more episodes having been found, and something about a big announcement about it for the 60th Anniversary. He said he’s not as connected with production and that he personally hasn’t heard anything regarding this. He said that if there is something going on they’re all being very quiet about it and we’d be surprised. But he wouldn’t hold his breath. Make of that what you will. Frazer joked about how he and Wendy had done a documentary and when they broke for coffee and were talking about fees, someone had a folder that they’d blown the dust off of, and it said that Ronald Leigh Hunt (from Seeds of Death) made such-and-such an amount an episode, and this person made such-and-such. Frazer said, “they kept the payment work but had thrown away the shows.”

He was asked whether he preferred working in the studio or alone (as in doing Big Finish audio). He said he preferred the studio because you’ve got costumes and all that, and doing it the other way you’re doing it alone and there’s no opportunity for banter. He’d rather actually meet with you.

Someone had mentioned “Kidnapped” and asked if there was any connection between that and The Highlanders. He wasn’t sure but shared that Jamie was only supposed to be a one-story character at the time. He said at the time he thought “oh it’s a silly children’s show, I’m not doing more than four episodes”, but he’s glad that he said yes because of all the places he’s seen —Australia, New Zealand, America, etc.

He told a funny story about filming The Mind Robber, that Emrys Jones who played the “Master” was sitting at a desk with all these probes attached to his head and the director kept saying “Frazer, can you get closer to the desk? Patrick, you stay there.” And then he said it again and Frazer said to him, ‘I can’t, my junk is nearly on top of the desk.’” And then Patrick (from back where he was standing) said, “Yes, so’s mine.” 

He was asked about his chemistry with Patrick, if it was something that happened right away. He talked about how Patrick was on “Smuggler’s Bay” with him. He himself was the star and Patrick played Ratzy, this old smuggler. And then 2 years later he was on Doctor Who where Patrick was the star. He said it was around the time that Ben and Polly left, that they started that whole comedy act like the scene in The Faceless Ones where Jamie mentions the TARDIS and the Doctor steps on his foot. 

He talked about coming back for The Five Doctors, and how he couldn’t get the time off he needed from Emmerdale (he was originally supposed to be with Patrick throughout the whole thing), so JNT told him if he can get a couple of days off at some point to call him. He did and when he got the script faxed to him his lines were just “Doctor! Brigadier, no! AHHHHHH!” He said if he hadn’t said those 3 lines he wouldn’t have done The Two Doctors.

Of course he talked about how stiflingly hot it was in Spain while they were on location filming that story. He said it was so hot that one day he saw a dog chasing a cat, and they were both walking. He talked about how lovely Peter Moffett was as director, that he let him do what he called “Jamie-isms.” The script had Jamie saying “Oh Doctor it’s an Androgum!” but he said Jamie wouldn’t know what an Androgum is so he’d say instead “I think she said he was an angry man!” and the Doctor would say “Oh yes, Jamie, an Androgum.” “Ah yes, that’s it, an Androgum!” And then the scene in the studio where the Doctor and Dastari were seen writhing in those tubes and the 6th Doctor says “I am he, and he is me” and Jamie says “Who will I be?” He said the director said that’s perfect, they’re keeping it. 

A fan told him she liked how Jamie’s costume evolved as time went on, that he started out very historical and then he started wearing modern clothes with the kilt, like a turtleneck sweater. She asked if he had any input in that. He said that sometimes the costume department would say, “Oh Frazer, we’ve got this costume here,” and he’d say “No, Jamie wouldn’t change his shirt,” and that’s why for a lot of stories he wore the khaki shirt and the sheepskin sort of gherkin. And then Bobbi Bartlett would say, “Oh Frazer, I’ve got this lovely shirt” and he’d go, “Oh, alright” and that’s why he wore that black shirt in The Seeds of Death. He wanted to keep it the same and he mentioned a fan who once said to him that his character came from 1746 and surely he didn’t have a wristwatch coming from then. He told him, “Yes, you know the show goes out on a Saturday night. What do you think happens on a Sunday? The Doctor teaches Jamie how to tell the time.” 

He was asked what he thinks of the animated episodes, if they hold up to the way he remembered them. He said, “I don’t like the animation because I think they’re better actors than us.” He did mention The Macra Terror and how he asked the animators if they got the right orange for the suits they wore, the horrible orange double-breasted jacket with Bermuda shorts. They replied, “No, Jamie was in a kilt,” and he said, “No, I got out of the kilt,” and said the next time they do an animation to ring him or any of the other actors because they would remember what they wore. The interviewer admitted that the animations have been called a “reinterpretation” of the episodes and they’re not slavish about it, but he did bring up that John Cura’s telesnaps show what they’re wearing. 

Anna mentioned to him about Tom Baker writing an original story for his Doctor that he co-wrote (Scratchman), and she asked if he’d consider writing an original story for Jamie. He said he’d never thought of that but he had an idea for Jamie to come back in the new series, just one story and he had the beginning and the end, he just needed help writing the middle. He mentioned seeing Chris Chibnall at the airport once, and Chris said to him, “Oh, it’s so good to meet you, I’m such a fan of yours!” And he said he felt like saying, “Then why didn’t you use me?” We were asked if anyone had any ideas and Anna said she’d like to see him in something with Zoe, something that would give closure after they both had to leave. Frazer said she’s still very fit and healthy, and still very cute. 🙂

Someone mentioned they would have liked to have seen Jamie in The Power of the Doctor, especially in the scene where the companions are all sitting together. Frazer said that he asked why Jamie wasn’t there and they said, “Oh, well, these are all companions that left on Earth.” He said, “Culloden is Earth!” He said he could just be sitting there in the kilt and shirt with the claymore and not saying anything, and the other companions could all be saying to each other, “Who’s that?” 

Another fan mentioned a crossover idea of Doctor Who and Outlander. He said that he was from 1746 and the show was about time travel, as was Outlander, and when he was 15 he did a show called The Young Jacobites, which was also in 1746. He joked that it has to be a sign.

He told a nice story about meeting up with Peter Capaldi when he was filming the show, that he ran around the TARDIS and was chasing Frazer with his phone, and Frazer was doing the same thing. Then he (Peter) had to film a scene and after it was done, he pointed to Frazer and said, “You see that man over there? If it wasn’t for him and his Doctor, we wouldn’t be here now working.” 

He was also asked how he related to the character of Jamie. He said, “we both like women and we’re very loyal to people.” The interviewer mentioned his Scottish heritage being a big factor and thinking that that’s why they cast him as Jamie. He said that Shaun Sutton remembered him having played a character called Napoleon, a little Scottish boy, many years earlier. Frazer said he’d auditioned for the part of Ben and didn’t get it, but Shaun Sutton told them about how they had a Scottish story set up and since Frazer could do a Scottish accent to get him. He had tea with Shaun who asked if he was working at the moment and he said he wasn’t, and when he got home his agent rang and said they wanted him there in 3 weeks for a wardrobe fitting. He didn’t even have to audition for it. 

He demonstrated how the Highland accent sounds, that it’s a higher, almost sing-song type of sound. He used that for the story but when he was asked to stay longer he said he couldn’t keep doing it because you can’t get any emotion out of it so he slowly watered it into his “television Scottish” accent. He did a funny little impression of Hamish Wilson’s more Glasgow type of accent when he filled in for him in The Mind Robber. 

He talked about how doing Patrick’s voice as the Doctor in the Big Finish stories came about. His first story was Helicon Prime, and at first he’d just done a generic voice as the Doctor, but when they went through the last few pages to check for glitches, he started talking in Patrick’s voice and the director liked it so much he told him to do it that way. 

Anna asked him what it was like to work with Wendy again when he started doing Big Finish. He mentioned them coming back together for The Five Doctors and when she went to put her costume on (a tight blue leotard and tights) she said she couldn’t wear it because she was pregnant. The wardrobe department then got the idea for the bubble wrap and made the little top with it. He mentioned something funny about it being smaller later on and mimed popping the bubbles in it. He mentioned the funny story about them doing Big Finish and Wendy putting her cigarette out and then talking in her higher voice as Zoe. He said she’s asked what her favorite story is, and she answers “Mind Robber”, and when asked why she says “Because Frazer was missing in an episode.” 

At the start of Frazer Con Saturday night they handed us slips of paper when we walked in with questions to fill in the blanks. They collected them and then would read them all to Frazer, having him decide which ones he liked best. I got “Frazer is on ‘Let’s Make a Deal’ and he wins the game. He decides on Curtain #3 and is horrified by what he sees when the curtain opens. It’s _____________.” I credit Anna for this — I wrote “Shockeye from The Two Doctors with a cleaver.” I wasn’t expecting him to choose that one, but he did so I won a sticker. Katy Manning and Michael Troughton were there as well. 

Another cute moment was one of the statements on some of the slips of paper was about Frazer’s house being on fire, and the first thing he’d save would be ….  Someone wrote, “his original copy of The Highlanders.”  

We attended Katy Manning’s panel Sunday morning and I can’t state enough what a sweet, positive person she is. She told us that even when things look very bad, they could always be a lot worse and you have to be thankful for what you have. I hadn’t realized she had such problems with her eyesight. I’d read she was quite myopic but they seemed more so than I’d imagined. She didn’t let it get her down at all, though. 

She shared some cute anecdotes about filming with Jon Pertwee and what a nice relationship they had, about how close they were and did everything together (had lunch and dinner, even rode a motorbike together). She said she was very nervous on the first day of filming the show, and she’d done one other series where she played a French au pair (which she was able to do because she spoke French). She said it was a magical feeling on that first day when she first met Jon and it just goes “bing!” and you realize you have so much in common. 

She also mentioned that originally they were going to have something going on between Jo and Captain Yates, and that they had Richard Franklin read with a bunch of girls and had narrowed it down to about 3 before she (“Myopic Minnie”) arrived. She said she wears glasses and can’t have them made the easy way, they have to go to Germany and be hand-ground. She said when she was little she had to have them taped behind her ears because she was so little and they were so heavy. She earned the nickname “Granny Manning.” She said glasses are cool now, but not back when she was little.

She said that she couldn’t see anything when she was working, they’d take her glasses away, so she’d see everything in her head. They asked if she could read from the script (*puts her hand over her face, shaking her head*) and she said “Um … no?” They suggested she do improvisation. They put her in a big room and said, “Imagine there’s a hat stand there, and on the hat stand is a big, furry hat. And you look at this hat and very slowly it has to turn into this big devil or demon, and you have to react to that.” She said it’s not something that you can do instantaneously, you’re standing there and you’re rooted in fear. You have to visualize this and she said “when you’re as myopic as me, darling, you can see anything.” So she saw the biggest demon devil thing and then they told her they now want her to realize that it’s just a furry hat, and they want her to find what she thought she saw funny … “and that’s how Jo Grant was born.”  She said that Terrance Dicks and Barry Letts used to always talk about how they knew when she went in there in such confusion that she would be Jo. 

She talked about her chicken impressions, how she always used to sit there and do them as a kid and one episode they were filming, there were some chickens around and Jon Pertwee jumped up and said, “At last!” She demonstrated for us how she “talks chicken.” 

She said something good about the differences between New Who and the days she was on the show, and that even in the eighties when she was in Australia the show wasn’t really known well over here or even there, and they were just on the cusp of being a cult show. It was nothing like we all know it now. She said you have to think about how the show was back then, they’d just started working with the “green screen” concept and she was the guinea pig for that. She said it was a very different time and you have to go back and imagine that they weren’t thinking back then like, “Oh I’m in this really big show and it’s amazing, and we’re doing all these conventions all over the world… No. We were actors giving everything we had to make this show work.” She said that Jon was really into doing the straight acting and making it work, and that everyone in the show has a 150% commitment going into it. 

She said that filming during the winter it was cold and she’d be wearing boots, and sometimes her feet would freeze to the ground so they had to take kettles of hot water to get them unstuck, “Otherwise it’s, ‘Run, Jo!’ ‘I can’t!!’” She said the first day she learned to tuck-roll out of a moving car, they did their own stunts and if anything happened to them they’d just say “Well, we’ll get someone else.” 

She gave a nice little tribute to William Hartnell when she was talking about The Three Doctors and said, “Isn’t it touching that this man who was the first person to create this character, lest we should ever forget, he had his last time before he went on his one ‘big adventure’… the last thing he got to do was to play that character again.” Then she said with a big smile, “In comes Patrick Troughton, what a glorious man.” 

She also said something very nice about the Classic Who shows, that when you watch them you have to take yourself back, you can’t look at it from the point of view of watching Doctor Who now. They didn’t have all the social media that we have now—it was a very different time. You have to learn about that time and go back and watch it, you’ll find it very different, even as far as the characters go. She said Jo was a very strong female if you stop and think about it and the things she did.

She said something quite lovely about the Doctor, that from all the different characters he was, looking at the fact that he has two hearts, she’s always looked at it as one heart belonging to the actor and his take on the character, and the other belongs to the Doctor. I thought that was a pretty cool way of looking at it. 

Sunday afternoon we attended Frazer and Michael’s panel, which was hosted by Michael’s wife. Frazer talked about how Patrick’s wife at the time wanted him to leave and do other stuff, and his agent wanted him to leave as well. He said that if they hadn’t had those two women nagging them you probably would never have heard of David Tennant. Michael asked him if he was sad about leaving and he said “Oh yeah, we didn’t want to leave.” 

Michael said that he didn’t want to be an actor originally, he wanted to be a scientist. He said the acting bug hit him when he was a teenager and working backstage at the Palladium. He talked about how he was on the Doctor Who set once during filming of The Web of Fear. He said that when he met Frazer for the first time he was in awe. He said he identified with Frazer because he was also a young lad and he aspired to be like him. As he watched him film he said to himself, “That is what I wanted to do” and then, “And I want to be a scientist” so he was a bit confused. He thought that the next time he really saw him again and talked to him was in 2012 at a convention. 

They both shared some lovely and interesting insights about Patrick. Frazer said that he never had a cross word with him in the three years they worked together. He said the only time Patrick shouted at him was in The Two Doctors when he was in the wheelchair, and Frazer and Colin pranked him by grabbing the wheelchair and tilting it back. Finally Patrick shouted at him saying “You should be in my gang, we should be ganging up on him!” 

They talked about doing the Big Finish stories together. Michael said that when he started doing them, he was doing some other character and when Frazer did both Jamie and his dad’s voices, it was amazing because he’d do one voice and then switch to another in the same take. He told a funny story how he went to the studio to record and they were in separate booths with windows, and Frazer was in the middle of doing a great scene where he voiced his dad’s character, and then he’d look over at Michael and mouth, “Was that alright?” and Michael would reply, “Absolute rubbish!” 

They were talking about Patrick’s mannerisms and Michael said he always remembered the cough he’d do when he’d try to remember his lines, that it was specifically to remember the next line and his brain would catch up quickly.

Michael brought up a story that Anneke Wills told about when Patrick would get his hair cut and he’d cover it up with a hat, and they’d say “No, you can’t do that, we want to see it” and from what he said this was tied into the Doctor having a thing for hats in the beginning, and then it disappeared so quickly. He said he took things like this quite seriously, that even if you took the mickey out of him he’d say something like “don’t do that”, or “you don’t mean that, do you?” He said he was quite sensitive, which made him a great actor. 

Frazer said he went to his house about 3 years into the show and didn’t realize he’d done all this painting. Michael confirmed it was like an art gallery. He said he used to do copies of paintings and an article about him once said that he was a very good forger. Michael said he was a handyman as well and once built an extension on the back of his flat. He was also apparently a very good bird-watcher and would draw beautiful pictures of what he’d seen. 

Michael told a funny story about him involving medicine. They’d have a lot of medicine lying around, which in those days was in suspension (in liquid form). He’d come into the kitchen and say, “Ooo, what’s that?” and Michael would say ‘Oh, well that’s sort of hiccup juice”, and Patrick would take a swig, and then say “Oh yeah, that’s rather nice.” And he wouldn’t care what the medicine was, he’d go for the taste. One day they had a big bottle of some lotion for dogs. It was for a skin condition and was meant to be dabbed on instead of being taken internally. He came in merrily and went “Oh I wonder what that is”, and before Michael could go “No!!” he’d taken a swig and the whole thing shot out like a projectile. And Michael told him “Well that serves you right for taking other people’s medicines!” 

Frazer said they used to go golfing together. Michael said he and his dad used to as well, that near the end of his life he got to know him a lot better because he lived around the corner from him so they got to play a lot of golf together. He said Patrick used to get so annoyed when he was playing badly, so much that he’d throw his clubs on the ground in frustration. He also had a habit of “weeing in the open”, he’d just stop and turn around in the middle of the fairway. He thinks most of the lady members got used to it but every so often someone would say, “What on earth is that man doing?” and then you’d hear, “Oh don’t worry darling, that’s just Doctor Who having a piss.” 

Frazer said he was great with the ladies, he could charm the birds off a tree. Michael said that whenever he’d go for rehearsals or read-throughs, many elderly ladies would meander up to him and say “I knew your father well.” He said he could understand why: he was such a charmer. When the ladies were around, he would light up. Frazer interjected that he wasn’t the best dresser and Michael said “No, he dressed like a tramp!” He’d have a rope tied around him instead of a belt. He said he’d wear baggy corduroys, and Frazer added the Hush Puppies that he also wore as Doctor Who. Michael said they got so worn he’d polish them. Frazer: “And they were suede!” 

Michael’s wife asked them what he was like during interviews. Frazer said that there was some big TV show back when they were doing Doctor Who (“Simon Dee” I think?) and they asked the two of them to do an interview but Patrick said no, he didn’t want to talk. Michael said that was a reason he didn’t do the conventions much —he had this feeling he would be typecast, that the association of Patrick as Doctor Who was going to stick too much. Michael would say to him, “What does it matter? You have all this other work before you”, and he mentioned that a week after he finished Doctor Who he got this series about Henry VIII. Frazer brought up about him being in The Omen. Michael said he was in it for about 10 minutes in the beginning and when he talks to most people they said that was what had such an impression on them, because he’s such a good actor. He said Patrick taught him that if you’re going to be in a film, always be in it in the beginning or in the end, not the middle because they’ll forget you. Speaking about The Omen, Michael said, “What a great death as well!” 

A fan brought up that it was said that Patrick didn’t like to do theater, and she asked if Michael knew why. He told her that he’d call it “all that shouting in the evening.” He said he had an early career in theater but then when television came around (he called it “the national theater”), it was bringing drama into the living room, you didn’t have to go out. Michael thinks he also enjoyed the subtlety that it brought, he was a very emotional actor that he brought from the inside out and didn’t like projecting large performances. Michael agrees more with him and said his brother David was different and enjoyed doing heater performances more. Michael said he didn’t do much theater after he was about 20 and did mention he did a minor tour of “Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat.” He sang a bit from that one (“Way, way back, many centuries ago…”). 

At one point Michael was talking about what Patrick was doing during the war and the lights dimmed. Frazer looked up at it and asked if Patrick was here and Michael said “He is here.” 

Anna asked Michael about his taking on the role of Patrick’s Doctor for Big Finish, was it his idea or someone else’s, and did he have any reservations about doing that because of the expectations and how to make it his own. He said Nick Briggs just phoned him up out of the blue and asked what he thought of the idea. He said that initially he was like, “I don’t know, the idea of having the son do it…” that it could have gone the wrong way but the scripts he read were so good. If he hadn’t done a good job the first time he thinks he would have stopped, but he felt he’d accomplished a good level in the first one. He did have reservations but he thinks his dad would be looking down and saying “For God’s sake, do the job! It’s money!” He’d even told them “But Frazer does it so well! Why do you want to change it?” They said, “Because it’s a new idea, the Season 6B, and it’s time to change.” They wanted to have Frazer as an older person and the scripts were going that way so he thinks that’s what kicked it. He said Frazer could play it his own age instead of the younger character because (talks in higher voice) “You have to talk high…” which led Frazer to talk like young Jamie in the higher voice (“Look a’ the size a’ THA’ thing!”) and they just went back and forth like that. Michael admitted he can still do it. A girl even told Frazer “You always sound like Jamie young no matter what you do on audio.” Michael agreed and Frazer said it always comes straight back to him 

Michael had a lot of praise for Sylvester McCoy, what a good character actor and a lovely man. Frazer mentioned that he and Sylvester had done a film called “Lost at Christmas” and Sylvester told him, “If we do it in a Highland accent we’ll have more screen time.” He said the director told them “I know what you buggers are doing, but keep it in.” 

They were asked what their favorite episodes were (of Doctor Who) and Frazer said his has to be The Highlanders and a fan called out, “So when’s the animation coming?” Frazer said he didn’t know, it should be the next one. He was asked something about the kilt, I think maybe if he’d wear it again and some fan called out, “It depends on the weather!” With that, they put a pic up on screen of Frazer wearing a kilt at a convention. We enjoyed their panel —lots of interesting info and a lot of laughs.

We also attended Paul McGann’s panel regarding his love of history and the different historical roles he portrayed. He mentioned how he got the role for the Doctor Who TV movie. He said Phil Siegel saw him in some other role (the pic they showed was of him dressed as an 1840s Irish priest) and said “Who is that? That’s my Doctor.” He said Phil couldn’t tell him and his brother Mark apart so they both had to audition for Doctor Who. He said at the time (this was 1994) they were hearing rumors about the show being brought back, that it ended in ‘89 but it was going to be brought back and Rowan Atkinson was going to be the Doctor… but then Phil called him. 

Anna asked him about being in Horatio Hornblower and he said he loved it. He felt badly that they never finished it. He came into it in the third series and said he wished they were still making it. They were about to run out of books in the series and then they lost Ioan Gruffudd (the lead actor) since he went off to make The Fantastic Four and they couldn’t get him back. He was asked if he could survive as an 18th century sailor and he said “not for a week.”

I don’t have much else to report on his panel because all the storage on my phone got used up, and then the battery of the camera I used after that to take pics and videos drained pretty quickly. But it was a very interesting panel.

That’s about it for the report. And now, pictures!

Pics from the Saturday panels: Frazer’s solo panel and FrazerCon (with special guests Katy Manning and Michael Troughton).
Sunday panels, including Katy, Frazer and Michael, and Paul McGann. Sorry these aren’t in order!

All in all it was a great time. If anyone is interested in seeing videos, let me know. But I pretty much summarized everything in the writeup. XD

LI Who – Meglos Convention Report

Sorry I’ve neglected this blog for so long. I’d meant to update it a lot earlier, but real life just got in the way more often than I’d intended. But I’ve finally got a little time and have a really good reason to update. A friend and I attended the LI Who convention the weekend before last, November 19-20th.

My good friend Anna (@concetta at Tumblr and Concetta20 at AO3 – check out her awesome fanfic!) and I arrived at the con on Saturday just at the starting time. We saw Mr. PoppinTwist, the talented guy who makes balloon likenesses of DW characters, making one of the 5th Doctor. We chatted a bit with him and watched him work. When the balloon was all done, we had a picture taken with it.

We also saw Wendy Padbury arrive, and Frazer (who seemed to have already been there for some time) spotted her and gave her a hug (cue “awww). 😀 They were adorable together throughout the whole con.

The dealer’s room had a lot of great stuff. They were selling Doctor Who books and DVDs, some for charity. Kevin McNally was there selling and signing copies of his book, as well as autographs. There were also some really good sweets being offered, like cupcakes, blondies and a few other goodies. The vortex cupcake and pumpkin coffee cake were so good! Check out https://www.instagram.com/simplesweetsbymelissa/ , she really makes some great stuff.

We then got Wendy and Frazer’s autographs. I had Wendy sign the Jamie and Zoe pic from Mind Robber that Frazer had signed for me back at LI Who in 2019. I then asked Frazer to sign my copy of his book “Fifty Shades of Frazer.” He seemed tickled that I had the book and was skimming through it, stopping at various pages and commenting on some of the photos. There was a copy of a comic strip of his life that appeared in a magazine back in 1969 and there was a part talking about his girlfriend at the time. He said, “Oh she was my girlfriend, I’m going to meet up with her again and I’ll mention this.” “Oh, look, there’s Eric Clapton!” and then there was a pic of him on a horse during filming of Emmerdale where he’s nearly falling off and had his feet out of the stirrups, he told me how precarious that was. There was another pic of him in some charity car race with all this mud underneath him and he mentioned how muddy it was that day, that he’d dealt with a lot of mud while filming Emmerdale and now on his day off he was dealing with even more of it. He told me he’d nearly forgotten about this book and he’ll have to pick it up again one day. He signed one of the “Autographs” pages for me.

Anna and I had a photo op with the two of them. They were both so sweet and accommodating. I look a bit awkward and like I’m about to tip over, but we all kind of squished in together which I guess I wasn’t expecting at the time (though I wasn’t complaining at all ;)).

Before talking about the panels, I should mention that this con was very well-attended. It was hard at times to get a seat at some of the really popular panels. It would have been nice to attend the “5th Doctor Team at 40″ panel with Peter Davison, Sarah Sutton and Janet Fielding, but it had started during our photo op and by the time we got there it was totally packed to the gills so we waited outside, hoping to get some glimpses. Wendy and Frazer’s panel “The Astrophysicist and the Highlander” was after that one. The 5th Doctor team panel went a bit long and while we were waiting outside, Frazer and Wendy arrived. Wendy asked one of the con staff if it was going long. As they were opening the doors, Frazer did this little dance like he was going to just strut right inside. Someone cosplaying as a Time Lord with the costume they wore in “The Deadly Assassin” exited the room and Frazer joked something to the effect of, “did the people behind you get to see anything?”

We really enjoyed their panel. They talked a bit about doing the Big Finish audio adventures and how they’d come in together but would just go into separate booths during Covid. Frazer joked about Wendy coming in with a cigarette, stamping it out and then going into the booth and [imitates her higher-pitched voice as Zoe], “Oh, Doctor, what are you–” Wendy laughed, saying she didn’t think she did it like that.

They were joined by BH Barry, the stunt coordinator from “The Mind Robber”, who also shared about some of the work he had done.

They were asked about what they think about their time on the show compared to the show now. They both said they had chemistry and that they had time to bond, since they spent Monday-Thursday rehearsing whereas now you learn your lines and then walk straight onto the set. Wendy had also said that she’s probably alone but she doesn’t understand some of the stories now (I’ll probably get flak for this, but … *raises hand*… she’s definitely not alone). She said she finds them so complex. She said that she knows their particular stories are old, but she thinks they really stand up. Frazer also said that back then they had these proper sets and now it’s mainly green screen. 

Someone had mentioned how they just kept working and working and didn’t have much time off. Frazer had said they would get a 6 week summer break and then 4 weeks off for Christmas. Wendy said that it took its toll on Patrick Troughton, having to work like that. Frazer said that they knocked a couple minutes off the running time for the first episode of The Mind Robber because they’d just come off a heavy shoot (The Dominators) and now it was just going to be the three of them in that episode. 

Anna had asked them about what it was like when Wendy first arrived on set, was there instant chemistry and asked how they worked together because her character was so different from Jamie, and did they have fun creating that bit of friction type of dynamic. They both really liked her question. Wendy said it was pretty immediate and that she quite liked him, then got a bit coy and said “he was alright.” Frazer said he fancied her but she had this tall, strong boyfriend. Wendy looked at him and said “Did I?” Frazer: “Rex.” Wendy said to him, “You remember more than me,” and started to laugh. 

She went on to say that it was pretty immediate but a bit daunting because before that it was Debbie (Watling) and Frazer and Pat, which was a great threesome, too. She said that although it was daunting, they made her feel very welcome. She then joked, “Well, Pat did.” Frazer said it was important to get to know your costars and be friendly with them because people could tell you “Oh, he’s a big star, don’t look him in the eye” and then you get all nervous. Wendy said that Pat told her that each week there was a new cast and new directors and you make those people feel as welcome as you possibly can. They brought up again about the differences between filming the show then and now, and about how you go and do your lines and everything is out of sequence and you can’t build relationships that way. They liked her comments on why their characters felt more alive than others. 

They showed a clip from the scene in The Mind Robber where the Karkus appears and Zoe fights him, complete with her flipping him. They were both grinning and laughing and enjoying watching it. When it got to the part where Zoe was fighting him, Wendy leaned back and put her hand over her eyes.

Here are a few pics from their panel.

We saw about half of Kevin McNally’s panel. He talked about not just his stint on Doctor Who, but also his other roles such as in Pirates of the Caribbean, Supernatural and Turn. He was pretty cool.

That night we attended Frazer Con. I won’t say very much except that it was a lot of fun. Maybe a bit more fun than I originally expected, heh. 😀 Wendy made a guest appearance, as did Bhavnisha Parmar (Yaz’s sister in the new series).

On Sunday when we walked past their autograph tables, I had the cute dolls @puffins-studio at Tumblr had made for me and they got a kick out of them. Frazer took the Jamie doll and said “oh that’s brilliant!” He then took his sharpie and pretended to draw a smiley face on the doll, hahah. 

(“They actually liked us, Jamie!” “Och, of course they did, Zoe.”)

First we stayed for Frazer’s panel. It was supposed to be about the Abominable Snowmen, which was newly animated, but that wasn’t going to be enough for an entire panel, so it basically became a look back on all the serials Frazer had done on the show. When he talked about The Moonbase, he said that all Jamie did was say, “the phantom piper!” and then he threw his head back and pretended he was sleeping, making snoring noises. 

He also talked about the prop macra in The Macra Terror and how big it was and it was the price of a Mini but it was useless, and if you said “oh it’s got me by the leg” you’d have to stick your leg in between it because it couldn’t move. When they moved onto The Abominable Snowmen he talked about how they’d filmed it in Snowdonia. He said that he and Debbie were getting chased and then overtaken by a Yeti down the hill. They showed a behind-the-scenes photo from the filming of it that showed the TARDIS and a crew member. Frazer said that when they were filming the documentary for it (I guess for the animated episode DVD), and one point he went around the corner and there was the TARDIS in the same spot it had been in that photo and how great that was. They also showed the behind the scenes photo of Frazer sitting on top of one of the Yeti costumes. He mentioned his kilt and said he wished he’d kept it, that he didn’t know he’d be doing conventions so many years later and if he had known he would have kept it.

He mentioned The Web of Fear and how he and the Doctor had found something that Victoria had dropped. He said “Oh this is Victoria’s” and it was a pair of knickers, and Pat said “Oh yes they are” and Jack Watling said indignantly, “How do you two know??”

Wendy appeared about halfway through his panel and stayed for the rest of it until the start of her solo panel. Frazer had tried to tell a joke regarding the chameleons (a picture of one of them from The Faceless Ones was shown) and was grinning at Wendy. She deadpanned, “You know, I never should have come in.” 

They talked about filming The Invasion and how they were filming at the Guinness factory. Wendy said she had some photos from it and there was one where Pat was running away from a cyberman who had only half his costume on. Frazer said that they had a liquid lunch there and they filmed a scene where he and Patrick had to look around a corner, and they kept falling over. He said the director said to them, “I know where you were for lunch, boys, but can we just do one take?” He said that’s why the two of them were hanging onto each other for dear life in one of the photos that’s in public domain.

Someone brought up the scene in The Macra Terror where they were all getting freshened up and Jamie had his scene where the ladies were admiring him. Frazer said that Jamie was a great one for the girls. He then said “in particular he fell in love with Victoria”, and he kept going on when Wendy suddenly broke in with “…And Zoe.” He said something else, I couldn’t make it out, maybe he repeated about Jamie loving Victoria, and Wendy said again, “And Zoe.” 

Wendy talked about how she got into acting. She wanted to get into ballet but she had rather flat feet and hadn’t grown past 5 foot, and apparently you had to be at least 5’3 to be some kind of ballerina. 

One of the guys running the panel had pictures up on the screen that he rotated through, and one of them was a group pic including a very young Wendy wearing a sash down across her shoulder with her name, among a group of other young women with similar sashes. She was so surprised to see it and said, “Where did you get that photo?? I look about 4!” 

She said that when she auditioned for Doctor Who, Frazer’s girlfriend was also auditioning and he wanted her to get the part. She talked about how daunting the process was, how you had to look at the camera and say these particular lines. Wendy said she was there for Deborah’s last day of recording. She said it could have been intimidating coming in and doing the show, but Pat and Frazer made it not intimidating.

They enjoyed talking about the fun they’d have on set, especially during the Producer’s runs with going through the scripts. At one point the behind the scenes picture taken during filming The Dominators was shown (the color one where they appear to be in a lounge of some sort). Wendy said they were in some little area of the Green Room. 

They then showed a picture from The Invasion where Wendy was wearing the cat suit. She said that it was the most practical and comfortable costume. And the one that was the most impractical was her costume in The Krotons that was made of PVC paper. She said the skirt had torn everytime she moved, like climbed up a rock or something. She also mentioned the outfit she wore in Seeds of Death, the leather one and that she had to pay for it and she only wore it once after that, about a year or so after she and Frazer left the show and she’d worn it to some event they attended, she thought it was at Selfridge’s. 

I’m guessing this is the event she was referring to (image credit: Tragical History Tour):

When The War Games was mentioned, they both said they didn’t want to leave (Frazer said his agent had talked him into leaving and doing films and Patrick’s wife or girlfriend at the time had talked him into leaving too… he said something about how if they hadn’t had the advice of those women they might have stayed, ha ha.. Wendy had told them that if they were leaving then she was going to leave too), and Wendy said that when they wrapped it up there was a party in some room upstairs and that they each had to pay 50 pounds towards it.

After the animation of The Abominable Snowmen was mentioned again, the interviewer said that BBC America had pulled funding for it. At one point Frazer mentioned there was a rumor that Disney was going to be funding them. If that’s true, I’ve got mixed feelings: happy because I don’t want to see the end of any lost stories being animated. But a bit ambivalent because I’d heard somewhere that Disney has made it a point not to offer any physical media of any of the stuff they produce and/or stream. So that could potentially mean no animated lost stories coming to DVD (let alone any of the new Doctor Who series that will air only on Disney+). I really hope that won’t happen. If anyone has heard anything about this, please do let me know.

At one point they were asked about the aliens that were the creepiest, and Frazer had mentioned the Cybermen and how emotionless their faces were and you just had the slits for the eyes and the mouth. They both said they liked the Ice Warriors with the hissing voice and about how tall they were (maybe the Cybermen too?). Frazer had said something about how tall these aliens were and how short they all were, and he’d said that he was 5’8, “though I’ve shrunk a bit…”

Frazer left about halfway through her solo panel and after he’d left she said, “Oh he’s gone, we can talk about him now!” During her solo panel she talked a lot about how she got into being an agent and what an involved job it was. She talked again about leaving the show and said that she didn’t want to stay on without Pat and Frazer, and whoever came in after that she didn’t think they could recreate what she had with them. She said it ended up being the best job she ever had.

Some pictures from their panels:

Peter Davison was sweet. I got his autograph and he shook my hand, asking how I was doing. His panel was great as well. He was talking about the Doctor’s different personalities and how Patrick Troughton’s Doctor had that bit of vulnerability, and how the Doctor didn’t always know what he was doing or wasn’t always completely sure of himself, and so the companions would kind of rein him in (he mentioned this as he compared Patrick’s Doctor to Jon Pertwee’s, that Pertwee’s always seemed so assured of himself and he thought that was fine but that wasn’t how he wanted to play the Doctor). He said that when he played the Doctor he wasn’t given the whole script, just his part of it so he didn’t have much of an idea of what was going on. 

The interviewer asked what it was like doing The Five Doctors since he was the Doctor at the time. He said that JNT thought there would be too many of them on screen if they had a lot of scenes together. Peter himself didn’t have any problem with it but JNT went out of his way to avoid that and the Doctors each had their separate strands. He was talking about the other actors’ involvement and about how Tom Baker wouldn’t come back — he didn’t really understand why, but thought that Tom figured it was too close to his time and he wanted to keep away from it. They showed the behind the scenes pic of all the Doctors together and Peter confirmed that wasn’t Tom in the pic, it was a wax figure from Madame Tussaud’s, and he said “You can’t really tell, right?”  He also said Patrick Troughton gave him some good advice —only do 3 years. 

He also told a funny story about a horseshoe-shaped car park at the BBC, and that it was only for the stars to park in, and how he was able to park there when he was playing the Doctor, but one day Patrick Troughton was there and was told he wasn’t allowed to park there since he was no longer the Doctor.

He talked quite a bit about his time on All Creatures Great and Small, and said that they’d brought animals to them that were ill and had to be cured, and they’d done so for each of them and the BBC paid for all of it (ha!!). Anna asked him about what it was like to act alongside Robert Hardy in All Creatures Great and Small and he said that it was great, and that Robert Hardy would get frustrated with himself because he was a perfectionist, and that’s why no one take was the same.

He’d also mentioned how he’d write songs and one in particular he’d sung, and Dave Clark from the Dave Clark Five had recorded it. He didn’t sing it for us there, but one of the guys who ran the panel had found an old clip of him singing it and playing it on the guitar (“Officer McKirk”).

Here is a picture of my autographed photo, plus a small gallery of pics from his panel:

Sorry about the quality on some of my pictures. Like I said, the panels were quite packed and sometimes it was hard to find a seat. But I did the best I could from where we were sitting. I actually took a lot of videos. I don’t think I can link to them all here, but if anyone is interested, leave me a comment or message and I’ll hook you up with a link.

All in all, we had a really good time. Everyone we met and saw was super nice. Thanks so much to all the folks at LI Who for making this such a memorable and fun event!

My first Doctor Who Convention

Once again, I apologize for being so quiet here. Admittedly, I haven’t had all that much to say lately. That’s finally changed.

I just got tickets to my first Doctor Who convention. I’ve been a fan of this show since circa 1981 and I finally got my opportunity. The end of November I’ll be attending Long Island Who, aka An Unearthly Convention in Holtsville, New York (on Long Island, east of New York City). As of this writing, Louise Jameson (Leela), Katy Manning (Jo), Frazer Hines (Jamie), and Paul McGann (the 8th Doctor) will be attending. I believe I also read that John Leeson who voiced K9 will be a guest as well.

Not sure if I will get any photo ops. I definitely want to get autographs, but will have to decide on the photo ops a bit later. I’m so excited. I only hope I won’t make a fool out of myself, lol.

If anyone is interested in attending or just in any details about the convention, look here.